年薪破5百萬!亞馬遜正妹工程師曝9優 - offer
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作者: waitrop (嘴砲無雙) 看板: Tech_Job
標題: Re: [新聞] 年薪破5百萬!亞馬遜正妹工程師曝9優
時間: Fri Dec 20 15:21:03 2019
其實美國軟體工程師的工作的確是女性比例比其他工程領域的高,
甚至有些軟體組女生的比例遠遠多過男生,
而且薪資福利也是兩性平等的,
軟體工程師相對其他工程領域的確是很適合女生的工作,
但是裡頭有些事情是吹得太過了,
有鑒於現在大家把美國軟體工程師的工作捧上天,
我覺得還是要說明一下免得造成誤會,
我的確是沒有待過亞馬遜,
但是我待過的公司都不會差太多,
工作十幾年來,沒有任何一家公司有她說的那麼爽,
每家公司工時(扣掉吃飯時間)都是八小時起跳,
如果加上吃飯時間有的公司甚至要12小時,
我待過最爽的兩家公司就是微軟跟高通,真的是退休生活,
在高通我還有自己的辦公室跟幾個打雜小弟,
微軟大概9:30-10:00到,晚上六點下班,
公司包三餐,但是幾乎沒人吃早餐,
高通大概8:30到,晚上六點前下班
三餐自己想辦法,
這兩家公司除了吃飯跟開會之外,
就是寫代碼跟debug,
尤其debug, bringup花超多的時間
另外幾家公司更慘,
冬天時候早上上班出門看不到太陽,
下班回家也看不到太陽,
現在公司屬於比較折衷的情況,
早上8:30 daily standup meeting,
然後就開始忙到晚上六點下班,
偶而晚上要WFH加班,
另外我工作過的所有公司通通不鼓勵WFH,
薪水部分,
鄉民說的大致都正確,當然這個空間很大,
同工作同level, 總薪資可以差到五萬甚至十萬美金,
尤其有人是超級名校熱門實驗室(Deep Learning之類)或是手上有多個offer,
那個喊起來的價碼嚇死人,
個人認為這個女生說的價碼屬於合理範圍但是高於平均值,
https://bit.ly/34HS4sq
大學or研究所畢業 + 0-3年經驗, L3/E3,Total: $181,395
MS or PHD + 3-8年經驗,L4/E4,Total: $257,897
小弟魯蛇就是那個拉低平均值的,
十幾年前碩士剛畢業底薪八萬五鎂,總包裹一年大概十萬鎂,
公司每年分紅跟股票都只給幾千塊美金而已,
這個薪水一直維持了八年直到離開高通時候還只是十二萬鎂一年總包裹,
之後就以每年總薪資調四萬的程度增加,
所以跳槽找對公司比做出好產品更重要,
當然這是對我這種打工仔而言,
公司重點栽培的人不一樣
※ 引述《wtleader01 (100)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《nocash (show me the money !)》之銘言:
: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.setn.com/m/ampnews.aspx%3fNewsID=656681
: 我已無力吐糟,只能吐血。
: 原來女性工程師都這麼爽喔
: 推 kurll: 這是真的啊,公司女同事喊一下報告不知道怎麼打,就一堆工 12/19 13:33
: → kurll: 具人幫她把資料拉好整好弄給她了,整份報告她大概只做了一 12/19 13:33
: → kurll: 成吧,爽爽der 12/19 13:33
: 推 BaGaJohn5566: 女生當工程師的確比較爽 12/19 14:09
: 不知道台男們對女工程師的偏見是哪來的, 至少對SDE而言我不覺得男性有啥優勢啦~
: 很多女性對System Design的縝密跟處理corner case的細心度都非常優異
: 我遇過幾個coding能力最強的不分國籍種族都是女的
: 推 pipi1983: 記者挖很久就報過的當新聞?之前不就有吵她「身份正確」 12/19 14:51
: → pipi1983: 嗎? 12/19 14:51
: 美國科技公司一半的人都沒有美國身分
: 推 pipi1983: 然後好笑的是,亞馬遜不是被定義為血汗企業? 自由越來 12/19 14:53
: → pipi1983: 越中時了
: 這新聞報的作息跟我看到的差不多,
: 在大公司過得好壞就是看組, 除了AWS外普遍都是早10晚5,
: 隨時Work from Home,反正是責任制,
: 尤其冬天很多人躲在家吹暖氣,同事一周見不到幾次
: 有聽過一些養老組11點上班下午3點走人, 也是領一樣的薪資,
: 不好的組之前有把人逼到跳樓,就像最近FB也有人跳
: 薪資方面加上股票簽約金new grad差不多是拿新聞報的數字,
: 比較爽的是早幾年股價低點時進來的老人,
: 根據這幾年科技股漲幅計算,大概跟中小型樂透差不多
: 不過爽度都是跟周遭比較出來的,
: 在這些高所得城市,當周圍人都比你有錢,有房有閒有遊艇,
: 你生活品質永遠比身邊的人低一截時也不會覺得爽
: 以上
: peace out
--
作者: waitrop (嘴砲無雙) 看板: Tech_Job
標題: Re: [新聞] 年薪破5百萬!亞馬遜正妹工程師曝9優
時間: Fri Dec 20 15:21:03 2019
其實美國軟體工程師的工作的確是女性比例比其他工程領域的高,
甚至有些軟體組女生的比例遠遠多過男生,
而且薪資福利也是兩性平等的,
軟體工程師相對其他工程領域的確是很適合女生的工作,
但是裡頭有些事情是吹得太過了,
有鑒於現在大家把美國軟體工程師的工作捧上天,
我覺得還是要說明一下免得造成誤會,
我的確是沒有待過亞馬遜,
但是我待過的公司都不會差太多,
工作十幾年來,沒有任何一家公司有她說的那麼爽,
每家公司工時(扣掉吃飯時間)都是八小時起跳,
如果加上吃飯時間有的公司甚至要12小時,
我待過最爽的兩家公司就是微軟跟高通,真的是退休生活,
在高通我還有自己的辦公室跟幾個打雜小弟,
微軟大概9:30-10:00到,晚上六點下班,
公司包三餐,但是幾乎沒人吃早餐,
高通大概8:30到,晚上六點前下班
三餐自己想辦法,
這兩家公司除了吃飯跟開會之外,
就是寫代碼跟debug,
尤其debug, bringup花超多的時間
另外幾家公司更慘,
冬天時候早上上班出門看不到太陽,
下班回家也看不到太陽,
現在公司屬於比較折衷的情況,
早上8:30 daily standup meeting,
然後就開始忙到晚上六點下班,
偶而晚上要WFH加班,
另外我工作過的所有公司通通不鼓勵WFH,
薪水部分,
鄉民說的大致都正確,當然這個空間很大,
同工作同level, 總薪資可以差到五萬甚至十萬美金,
尤其有人是超級名校熱門實驗室(Deep Learning之類)或是手上有多個offer,
那個喊起來的價碼嚇死人,
個人認為這個女生說的價碼屬於合理範圍但是高於平均值,
https://bit.ly/34HS4sq
大學or研究所畢業 + 0-3年經驗, L3/E3,Total: $181,395
MS or PHD + 3-8年經驗,L4/E4,Total: $257,897
小弟魯蛇就是那個拉低平均值的,
十幾年前碩士剛畢業底薪八萬五鎂,總包裹一年大概十萬鎂,
公司每年分紅跟股票都只給幾千塊美金而已,
這個薪水一直維持了八年直到離開高通時候還只是十二萬鎂一年總包裹,
之後就以每年總薪資調四萬的程度增加,
所以跳槽找對公司比做出好產品更重要,
當然這是對我這種打工仔而言,
公司重點栽培的人不一樣
※ 引述《wtleader01 (100)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《nocash (show me the money !)》之銘言:
: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.setn.com/m/ampnews.aspx%3fNewsID=656681
: 我已無力吐糟,只能吐血。
: 原來女性工程師都這麼爽喔
: 推 kurll: 這是真的啊,公司女同事喊一下報告不知道怎麼打,就一堆工 12/19 13:33
: → kurll: 具人幫她把資料拉好整好弄給她了,整份報告她大概只做了一 12/19 13:33
: → kurll: 成吧,爽爽der 12/19 13:33
: 推 BaGaJohn5566: 女生當工程師的確比較爽 12/19 14:09
: 不知道台男們對女工程師的偏見是哪來的, 至少對SDE而言我不覺得男性有啥優勢啦~
: 很多女性對System Design的縝密跟處理corner case的細心度都非常優異
: 我遇過幾個coding能力最強的不分國籍種族都是女的
: 推 pipi1983: 記者挖很久就報過的當新聞?之前不就有吵她「身份正確」 12/19 14:51
: → pipi1983: 嗎? 12/19 14:51
: 美國科技公司一半的人都沒有美國身分
: 推 pipi1983: 然後好笑的是,亞馬遜不是被定義為血汗企業? 自由越來 12/19 14:53
: → pipi1983: 越中時了
: 這新聞報的作息跟我看到的差不多,
: 在大公司過得好壞就是看組, 除了AWS外普遍都是早10晚5,
: 隨時Work from Home,反正是責任制,
: 尤其冬天很多人躲在家吹暖氣,同事一周見不到幾次
: 有聽過一些養老組11點上班下午3點走人, 也是領一樣的薪資,
: 不好的組之前有把人逼到跳樓,就像最近FB也有人跳
: 薪資方面加上股票簽約金new grad差不多是拿新聞報的數字,
: 比較爽的是早幾年股價低點時進來的老人,
: 根據這幾年科技股漲幅計算,大概跟中小型樂透差不多
: 不過爽度都是跟周遭比較出來的,
: 在這些高所得城市,當周圍人都比你有錢,有房有閒有遊艇,
: 你生活品質永遠比身邊的人低一截時也不會覺得爽
: 以上
: peace out
--
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