年輕人真的很沒用? - 離職

By Frederic
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Table of Contents
小弟目前剛出社會半年 任職某南部傳產財務部門 ,薪水只有27k ,每次和老爸談到工
作,他就會開始嫌我工作太輕鬆 因為每天早八晚五很規律 所以錢很少
。其實他一直想叫我去他跟別人合夥開的公司當業務 ,然後開始說以前他在電子業,每
天都8 9點下班,薪水從剛進去15000(民國80年代,一年後變3萬,一年平均調薪5000到10
000,後來當到高層9萬多,離職後又去外商年薪15萬美金 ,然後說你一定要想辦法在一
年內把薪水提高到3 4萬 ,每次我就會開始跟他吵說,現在外面環境很差,老闆很小氣,
加上我又是商科畢業,薪水本來就比較少等等 。 他就會開始跳針說,是自己的問題 覺
得我一定要想辦法多賺一點, 不要每次都說環境差,但我覺得是他跟社會脫結太久(四
十歲退休沒工作超過十年 那時他們公司上市好像拿到不少股票 後來自己投資 有賺到錢
)但我覺得時空背景根本差很多,以前那個年代起薪就算不高 薪水也跳很快,也有股票
可以分,現在就算電子業也是4 5萬操的要死,更別提一堆南部傳產老闆只肯給20幾k 幾
乎不調薪。然後跟他討論,他只會說是年輕人都不努力想作輕鬆的工作,又說你如果一輩
子只想領兩萬多也是你家的事 你覺得可以養家活口就好 我以後不會留一毛錢給你 全部
捐出去。真的討論到後面都懶的跟他講話了 我覺得 很多4 50歲的人真的都是這種調調!
我也很想高薪阿 但台灣的環境就是這樣阿 我能改變什麼?
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作,他就會開始嫌我工作太輕鬆 因為每天早八晚五很規律 所以錢很少
。其實他一直想叫我去他跟別人合夥開的公司當業務 ,然後開始說以前他在電子業,每
天都8 9點下班,薪水從剛進去15000(民國80年代,一年後變3萬,一年平均調薪5000到10
000,後來當到高層9萬多,離職後又去外商年薪15萬美金 ,然後說你一定要想辦法在一
年內把薪水提高到3 4萬 ,每次我就會開始跟他吵說,現在外面環境很差,老闆很小氣,
加上我又是商科畢業,薪水本來就比較少等等 。 他就會開始跳針說,是自己的問題 覺
得我一定要想辦法多賺一點, 不要每次都說環境差,但我覺得是他跟社會脫結太久(四
十歲退休沒工作超過十年 那時他們公司上市好像拿到不少股票 後來自己投資 有賺到錢
)但我覺得時空背景根本差很多,以前那個年代起薪就算不高 薪水也跳很快,也有股票
可以分,現在就算電子業也是4 5萬操的要死,更別提一堆南部傳產老闆只肯給20幾k 幾
乎不調薪。然後跟他討論,他只會說是年輕人都不努力想作輕鬆的工作,又說你如果一輩
子只想領兩萬多也是你家的事 你覺得可以養家活口就好 我以後不會留一毛錢給你 全部
捐出去。真的討論到後面都懶的跟他講話了 我覺得 很多4 50歲的人真的都是這種調調!
我也很想高薪阿 但台灣的環境就是這樣阿 我能改變什麼?
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All Comments

By Doris
at 2016-04-26T00:49
at 2016-04-26T00:49
驗吧,加油

By Isla
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By Elma
at 2016-04-28T09:57
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成只能低薪的說法,畢竟本版或科技版一樣很多非理工且
高薪案例,機會還是有,年輕人別失望,多嚐試別怕!!

By Franklin
at 2016-04-30T09:26
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圖的是機會,但也要本事先有:)

By Zenobia
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By Andy
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By Puput
at 2016-05-13T00:33
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他是他,你是你不用管那些棺材都進一半的人講的屁話

By Rachel
at 2016-05-13T22:31
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By Aaliyah
at 2016-05-15T17:04
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怎麼養家?

By Belly
at 2016-05-17T08:00
at 2016-05-17T08:00
晚九月薪3卍 頗呵

By Andrew
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By Olivia
at 2016-05-23T01:19
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一直跳針自己低薪理所當然

By Skylar Davis
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By Leila
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By Regina
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By Irma
at 2016-06-04T10:47
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考你往後想過什麼樣的生活。我每份工作做半年就會評
估這職業未來發展. 薪資天花板. 專業是否還能精進。
覺得可以就繼續待,不行就算現況不錯我也是求去。供
你參考

By Kelly
at 2016-06-07T07:46
at 2016-06-07T07:46
伍剛工作,早八晚五40-45k

By Sierra Rose
at 2016-06-09T21:26
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樣的路

By Linda
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By Michael
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By Mia
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By Mason
at 2016-06-27T03:28
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再努力努力一些

By Quintina
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By Blanche
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By Joe
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By Tracy
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By Megan
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2016-07-10T05:39
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By Ethan
at 2016-07-10T16:34
at 2016-07-10T16:34
家,那是你家的事。

By Oscar
at 2016-07-13T22:32
at 2016-07-13T22:32
只能說沒能力去勝任那個缺。

By Blanche
at 2016-07-18T01:35
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By Rebecca
at 2016-07-21T10:34
at 2016-07-21T10:34
學習目前工作以外的專業能力 3.唸書考試拼公務國營 4
.被動的期待景氣好轉及期待老闆佛心。很多人都只走第
四條路,然後每天怨恨景氣差。

By Belly
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By Edward Lewis
at 2016-07-23T16:02
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By Gilbert
at 2016-07-26T01:16
at 2016-07-26T01:16
覺得自己很努力才能領40K,不努力才會22K

By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2016-07-28T14:07
at 2016-07-28T14:07
當然啦,自己家境不好還能賺錢考上高學歷我很佩服

By Damian
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By Megan
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By Ursula
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By Bennie
at 2016-08-01T20:19
at 2016-08-01T20:19
罵歸罵,但罵完呢??繼續消極等待老闆佛心來幫你調到4萬?

By Liam
at 2016-08-06T04:06
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By Una
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意見

By Lucy
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By Olivia
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By Ingrid
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By Zora
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By Charlie
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可以去

By Liam
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By Quintina
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By Hedwig
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By Zora
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By Donna
at 2016-09-05T21:52
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也是事實

By Robert
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By Gilbert
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By Freda
at 2016-09-15T12:17
at 2016-09-15T12:17
可能50k 100k的工作國外可能200k 但相同的是 台灣22k是
魯蛇 國外50k也是魯蛇

By Cara
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By Steve
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By Isla
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By Tracy
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By Candice
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By Susan
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By Quanna
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By Ina
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By Jessica
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By Rachel
at 2016-10-10T06:08
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知道這種人的心態是啥?

By Doris
at 2016-10-11T17:08
at 2016-10-11T17:08
而且他覺得你太安逸了,沒有企圖心,想激勵你一下。

By Enid
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By Doris
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By Ivy
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By Hazel
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By Enid
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By Faithe
at 2016-10-24T22:33
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改變,而不是光抱怨不做出任何行動

By Una
at 2016-10-26T02:54
at 2016-10-26T02:54
可以說是不單純用薪水看一個人的價值

By Andy
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By Rachel
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By Andy
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By Wallis
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By Jake
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By William
at 2016-11-06T11:18
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商科我不懂,沒辦法給建議,只能說語言很重要

By Emma
at 2016-11-10T07:41
at 2016-11-10T07:41
已經領百萬的與其諷刺其他2XK勞工,不如提供建議

By James
at 2016-11-13T04:16
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By Catherine
at 2016-11-14T17:42
at 2016-11-14T17:42
不錯全天下都是那樣。沒達到就是啊你不夠好,拜託!這
些人有多少自己真的強到哪的?還不都是運氣

By Frederica
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By Carolina Franco
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By Liam
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By William
at 2016-11-22T19:31
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而且正因為現在薪水不高 轉換工作的機會成本也低

By Aaliyah
at 2016-11-25T12:52
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By Odelette
at 2016-11-27T05:03
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By Sandy
at 2016-11-29T15:55
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似

By David
at 2016-12-04T05:56
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By Necoo
at 2016-12-04T20:14
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什麼出路 念那個找工作容易嗎

By Regina
at 2016-12-07T02:24
at 2016-12-07T02:24
很快就30歲了好嗎

By Erin
at 2016-12-11T02:11
at 2016-12-11T02:11
嗎

By Mason
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By Elizabeth
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By Hamiltion
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By Connor
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By Eden
at 2016-12-18T06:47
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By Olivia
at 2016-12-21T14:56
at 2016-12-21T14:56
是否屌打他這個每天做得要死的老魯?

By Kristin
at 2016-12-22T07:34
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By Elizabeth
at 2016-12-23T14:17
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By Adele
at 2016-12-27T11:39
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By Hedy
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By Ethan
at 2017-01-06T06:13
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By Regina
at 2017-01-10T01:12
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By Sarah
at 2017-01-11T00:31
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By Carolina Franco
at 2017-01-15T10:46
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By Emily
at 2017-01-16T09:24
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By Edward Lewis
at 2017-01-19T05:29
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By Edward Lewis
at 2017-01-19T14:02
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By Selena
at 2017-01-24T05:16
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By Oscar
at 2017-01-25T09:48
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By Wallis
at 2017-01-29T09:58
at 2017-01-29T09:58
文倒是說的都感覺努力就有用了~很多時候都是徒勞無功
的啊

By Audriana
at 2017-01-30T00:05
at 2017-01-30T00:05

By Steve
at 2017-02-01T11:26
at 2017-02-01T11:26
原po好好思考吧

By Ula
at 2017-02-03T02:13
at 2017-02-03T02:13
那邊屁什麼太晚呢?

By Tracy
at 2017-02-03T20:08
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By Barb Cronin
at 2017-02-08T09:21
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By Blanche
at 2017-02-10T08:14
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By Dorothy
at 2017-02-10T23:09
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By Freda
at 2017-02-14T08:04
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By Ina
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By Lily
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By Ethan
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By Thomas
at 2017-02-24T06:14
at 2017-02-24T06:14
要想辦法增加收入 不然你以為等到需要養家 什麼都不
做27k就會變72k嗎?

By Belly
at 2017-02-24T17:18
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By Olive
at 2017-02-26T00:01
at 2017-02-26T00:01
來就會都有菜逼巴的過渡期 連這樣都要被你酸?

By Elizabeth
at 2017-03-01T03:24
at 2017-03-01T03:24
啊是要等多久

By Damian
at 2017-03-03T11:47
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By Andy
at 2017-03-04T08:29
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講的

By Cara
at 2017-03-05T23:22
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By Suhail Hany
at 2017-03-06T01:22
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By Daniel
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By Yedda
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By Ivy
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By Tom
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By Daniel
at 2017-03-15T01:23
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By Ina
at 2017-03-15T07:57
at 2017-03-15T07:57
有的觀念,不然念什麼書?都在玩嗎?

By Elma
at 2017-03-17T05:04
at 2017-03-17T05:04
業 當學生真的有這種神力的話還不如去預知樂透號碼

By Charlie
at 2017-03-21T17:26
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By Linda
at 2017-03-22T17:48
at 2017-03-22T17:48
以都不作準備?等你出社會才想準備,早就來不及了啦

By Bennie
at 2017-03-23T11:42
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By Ina
at 2017-03-23T22:20
at 2017-03-23T22:20
不要吃飯。

By Zanna
at 2017-03-27T07:22
at 2017-03-27T07:22
口?我真是服了bruce2248的觀念

By Steve
at 2017-03-27T14:34
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By Olivia
at 2017-03-28T21:48
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By Daniel
at 2017-04-01T16:07
at 2017-04-01T16:07
去念了當時根本不會管到以後要做什麼

By Erin
at 2017-04-04T06:24
at 2017-04-04T06:24
月入八萬再來發問

By Ina
at 2017-04-05T08:01
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By Mason
at 2017-04-09T23:19
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By Zora
at 2017-04-10T20:51
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By Dinah
at 2017-04-12T14:43
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By Doris
at 2017-04-17T01:38
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By Todd Johnson
at 2017-04-18T10:52
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By Barb Cronin
at 2017-04-19T04:28
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By Odelette
at 2017-04-20T07:44
at 2017-04-20T07:44
然後都出社會了 還說剛出社會不用想以後養家的事情
哇賽是要繼續等到幾歲?

By Connor
at 2017-04-22T13:43
at 2017-04-22T13:43
生病怎麼辦,50歲再想退休錢哪來,反正我不知道我明天會
麼樣。

By Kristin
at 2017-04-24T17:37
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By Sarah
at 2017-04-26T22:46
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By Heather
at 2017-04-28T17:38
at 2017-04-28T17:38
生時期就念很久了 原po沒提

By Joseph
at 2017-05-01T12:11
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By Kama
at 2017-05-06T06:09
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By Carolina Franco
at 2017-05-10T06:30
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By Hardy
at 2017-05-14T15:20
at 2017-05-14T15:20
不努力 你不認真 不會充實自己 不會規劃未來 被念剛剛
好

By Tristan Cohan
at 2017-05-16T05:55
at 2017-05-16T05:55
書沒辦法評估未來出路? 考上哪個念哪個?

By Megan
at 2017-05-20T07:42
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By Todd Johnson
at 2017-05-22T23:51
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By Connor
at 2017-05-23T09:35
at 2017-05-23T09:35
到的第一個

By Jacob
at 2017-05-27T04:29
at 2017-05-27T04:29

By Liam
at 2017-06-01T03:35
at 2017-06-01T03:35

By Frederic
at 2017-06-05T02:07
at 2017-06-05T02:07

By Kelly
at 2017-06-09T23:09
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By Liam
at 2017-06-12T02:12
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By Olga
at 2017-06-14T16:16
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By Isabella
at 2017-06-17T17:13
at 2017-06-17T17:13
辦公室文職財務27k...大環境差不代表你沒高薪的工作選擇
大環境就算好 財務一樣27k啊 是你自己選擇的

By Steve
at 2017-06-20T06:30
at 2017-06-20T06:30

By Charlie
at 2017-06-24T08:28
at 2017-06-24T08:28
是當時就是充斥那種文化 一個人能改變啥?

By Donna
at 2017-06-28T08:40
at 2017-06-28T08:40

By George
at 2017-07-02T05:46
at 2017-07-02T05:46
的就只有你XD

By Mason
at 2017-07-02T11:50
at 2017-07-02T11:50

By Oscar
at 2017-07-04T00:12
at 2017-07-04T00:12
她反轉台灣環境惹

By Edwina
at 2017-07-07T12:35
at 2017-07-07T12:35

By Liam
at 2017-07-10T21:31
at 2017-07-10T21:31

By Regina
at 2017-07-12T13:21
at 2017-07-12T13:21

By Rae
at 2017-07-14T23:10
at 2017-07-14T23:10

By Xanthe
at 2017-07-16T19:42
at 2017-07-16T19:42

By Eden
at 2017-07-17T15:56
at 2017-07-17T15:56

By Andrew
at 2017-07-22T04:07
at 2017-07-22T04:07

By Franklin
at 2017-07-25T10:34
at 2017-07-25T10:34
反省只會怪別人

By Caroline
at 2017-07-28T10:10
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By Harry
at 2017-08-01T09:56
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By Oliver
at 2017-08-04T20:43
at 2017-08-04T20:43
片,記得兩年前的新聞,一個台大博士生(冷門科系),出去
找工作開薪都35000,他覺得太低乾脆不做在家啃老爸老媽的
,這又算什麼呢?

By Edith
at 2017-08-08T13:46
at 2017-08-08T13:46

By Todd Johnson
at 2017-08-09T23:36
at 2017-08-09T23:36

By Joseph
at 2017-08-12T14:18
at 2017-08-12T14:18
為你人生負責﴿??

By Barb Cronin
at 2017-08-16T21:52
at 2017-08-16T21:52
麼

By Faithe
at 2017-08-20T04:52
at 2017-08-20T04:52

By Susan
at 2017-08-23T00:53
at 2017-08-23T00:53
的人不努力而已 薪水高低不是重點 心態才是重點 念到
大學畢業出社會還不知道自己有什麼方向的確很老了啦 你
以為你認識的主管老師觀念就是對的嗎?

By Noah
at 2017-08-27T20:09
at 2017-08-27T20:09

By Frederica
at 2017-08-28T23:21
at 2017-08-28T23:21
我當初國中畢業時,老師表示我的資質一定得唸高中,
高中畢業時,老師說不管什麼科系,一定得念大學= =
而且你以為讀商科的真的一開始想念商科嗎?(我就是
理解不了物理啊!只好唸文組)
相較起文科或法律,她的cp值最高
文科的同學基本上都要唸4+1年(教師要自己付費實習一
年)
不好意思,小妹我家裡無法供應,一路從大一打工到
畢業
(除了學費是學貸以外,沒向家中拿錢)
法律的萬年法助更是超多的(我自己就看過連續3、5年
都考不上律師的)

By Poppy
at 2017-08-29T05:33
at 2017-08-29T05:33
在例如親戚家是畜牧業,曾經嗆某個親戚一個月35k太
少了
但是他們員工也是22k啊!

By Doris
at 2017-09-02T11:04
at 2017-09-02T11:04
上什麼念什麼 出社會了還覺得很年輕 玩幾年再思考未來
你周圍都這樣的人嘛

By Blanche
at 2017-09-02T15:18
at 2017-09-02T15:18

By George
at 2017-09-06T22:53
at 2017-09-06T22:53
但原po的狀況我猜跟你不太一樣

By George
at 2017-09-11T00:45
at 2017-09-11T00:45

By Sierra Rose
at 2017-09-15T20:43
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By Edward Lewis
at 2017-09-20T05:24
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By Kama
at 2017-09-21T21:55
at 2017-09-21T21:55
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